How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

Why do narcissists devour so much sugar (candy, ice cream, donuts, etc., in huge amounts at a time)?

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

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ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

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One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

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I am like a fish out of water,

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

Do you think most people would rather be a certain race or are most people happy with the race they are?

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

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As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

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Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

Kabir (a weaver)

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

Eligendi molestiae corrupti numquam voluptatum doloremque laudantium eum.

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

then who is there to know what happens without?

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Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

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So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

Do you believe that the portrayal of smoking in films and music videos contributes to the glamorization of cigarettes in society?

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

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Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

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Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

Sain (a barber)

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

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ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

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ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

NOW…

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

CONCLUSION:

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

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Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

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He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

Now here in this verse

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.